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Number   :  38
Date     :  2001-05-16
Author   :  Charles Kincaid
Subject  :  Re: Everybody, let us promote this group.
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>--- Original Message ---
>From: Kan Yabumoto 
>To: xxcopy@yahoogroups.com
>Date: 5/16/01 9:44:12 AM
>



>As to my involvement with this group, I hate to be too "dominant"
>in this group since it started as and should be an "independent"
>discussion group.

These groups also provide a good communication between users
and the developer (or development team) as you know that the
people here took the time to join the group. As the member see
all the questions and all the answers these should be, over time,
less duplication of questions.

As for independent, well I have flamed Microsoft on microsoft
groups and Opera on the Opera news server. If you can't call
the king a tyrant to his face go whine in the dark.

The independence will be maintained by the attitude displayed
here by you and other Pixelab employees. This is not a moderated
group so there is no real editorial control.

The real test is the first person who gets kicked out, by whom,
and for what reason.


>Therefore, we should not expect anybody routinely stumble
>into this group by chance. ...

More than likely to be true. I have been on Yahoo groups since
Yahoo bought eGroups. I have not spent one minute trying to
look at a list of Yahoo groups to see if there are others in
which I might be interested.

> ... For one thing, in the future, we
>plan to add a few lines at the bottom of the XXCOPY /HELP
>text which informs the current XXCOPY users to come join
>this group.

Good move.

>But what about those who otherwise visit the XXCOPY web site
>after hearing about it in the usenet newsgroups? ...

Put a link to the group on the website to encourage new memebers.

>... If everybody
>posts his/her XXCOPY questions in this forum (that means, no
>posts in the newsgroup), the existence of this group "competes"
>against the general newsgroups.

Well EVEYBODY won't. Yes email groups do compete with usenet
groups. Neither realy suffers from the other in the long run
though. This is the healthy form of competition that is also
know as freedom of choice. You still have the same number of
potiential posters. The poster simply chooses the viaduct most
personally pleasing.

> At least the regular newsgroups
>have a mechanism for a huge exposure factor whereas this group
>is "closed" only to those who already know what XXCOPY is.

But that is also a good thing. I have a DSL connection and it
took me about 90 seconds to get set up from the invitation. 
I already had a Yahoo profile so I just had to link that to this
group. At my billing rate of $175.00 per hour that is a $4.37
ecconomic impact to me. 

Just think about the folks who join using a dial-up connection.
They may not bill by the hour but they could have spent 3 more
minutes with their kids or spouse rather than take the time to
join.

Usenet groups take far less effort to subscribe, by contrast.

>That is why I'm concerned about the fact that this group has
>no automatic self-promotion mechanism. I bet almost all of
>the current members (some 74 this morning) are here from
>our mass Email campaign.

Let's look at that a moment. Real good job on the first one!
Comapre to the "junk mail" industry. Area mailings where the
only common factor is that people live in the same area (town,
neighborhood, etc.) get 1 to 3 percent return. Focused, or targeted,
mailings where the target is known to have used the product in
question, or similar product, get 2 to 7 percent return. Gold
level (over 10 percent) only happens when the target is known
to have responded from mailing previously.

You hit 6 percent on your first shot!


>Maybe, we should take turn and post some of the well-written
>articles in this group on the general newsgroups such as
>
> alt.msdos.batch
> alt.comp.freeware
> comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95
>
>Anybody, any comments?

Digesting to usenet is a common practice of many non-usenet discussion
groups.

>Kan Yabumoto

ATB

Charles Kincaid



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