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Number   :  213
Date     :  2001-06-16
Author   :  Shep Sweeney
Subject  :  Re: restoring from full CD backup
Size(KB) :  6


Dear Dan,
Thank you for your quick and informative response. I
would also like to thank Kan Yabumoto for his input.
I will have to study both responses thoroughly before
I can even ask any intelligent questions. Kan's
discussion of direct CD sounds promising as I use it
to create the backup CD's and they appear to act just
like a disk drive. In my case I use 3 CD's: one for
all programs, one for Windows along with all the 
miscellaneous stuff under C:, and the third CD backs
up everything else.
One question I do have though is if one were to
reinstall Win98 from the Win 98 CD and then re-enter
all programs etc. how does one get the re-installed
Win 98(and Internet Explorer) updated with all the
updates and fixes that have been made over the past
year or so. Does this happen automatically. I know I
have a Directory called Windows Updates with a bunch
of cab files in it, but I do not know what it is used
for.
Do you know how one would get all those updates back
in the re-installed Windows 98?
Again thank you both for your help,
Shep Sweeney
--- Dan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Greggann,
> 
> As some initial input, my understanding is that you
> will need to re-install
> WIN98 as well as your various programs because, when
> backing up to CDs using
> xxcopy, important information regarding the match
> between long file names
> and short file names would not have been retained. 
> Kan can point out the
> specific technical note that addresses this issue. 
> You could recover your
> various data-only files just by xxcopying back onto
> your hard drive after
> you have completed your re-installations.
> 
> If you had backed up your information using xxcopy
> to another hard drive
> then you could go through a process of
> re-establishing your operating system
> and programs without re-installing all your programs
> (see below). If you
> want to burn a recoverable backup to CDs then you
> would need to use
> utilities such as GHOST (in Norton System Works) or
> Drive Image.
> 
> I've also attached below two earlier items (one from
> Kenneth Ives and one
> from Kan) that relate to your question. I haven't
> seen any further comments
> regarding the use of Doslfnbk in combination with
> using xxcopy nor whether
> the application is generic enough that it could be
> incorporated into a
> future enhancement of xxcopy.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> ...Dan
> 
> 
> ===== ITEM 1 ========
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kenneth Ives 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [xxcopy] Re: backup to CDR retaining
> LFN
> 
> There is an inexpensive utility which is well worth
> mentioning here.
> 
> I use a DOS utility, I got from D. Murdoch called
> Doslfnbk at
> http://www8.pair.com/dmurdoch/programs/doslfnbk.htm
> . Current version is 2.5
> for $10. When you boot to DOS, you run this in the
> root directory and it
> saves all the long file names to a file. Then do
> your full backup to an
> external storage device. After you do a full
> restore, run this utility with
> a /r switch to update the file allocation table with
> the long file names
> again. I have never had a problem with a full
> restore using this utility.
> 
> To boot from DOS with Windows ME, create a startup
> disk thru the Windows
> control panel, System.
> 
> This will allow you to boot directly to a DOS prompt
> and have access to the
> CD drive. You may have to add a couple
> of drivers to get the CD-Writer to work, but that
> should be in the user's
> guide for the CD-Writer.
> 
> Kenneth Ives mailto:kenaso@h...
> 
> 
> ==== ITEM 2 ==========
> 
> From: Kan Yabumoto 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:30 PM
> Subject: [xxcopy] Restoring Win9x System disk (C:)
> from its backup (D:)
> 
> Here, let me briefly discuss the techniques in
> restoring the system disk
> (C:) from a backup volume elsewhere (D:).
> 
> There are two broad cases related to this problem.
> 
> 1) When the system drive (C:) is to be restored from
> a backup
> directory while you are currently running Win9x
> on C:.
> 
> 2) When the starting point does not have a running
> Win9x.
> That is, one way or another, when you need to
> start from
> scratch (formatting volume C:, etc.), you do not
> have
> an immediate access to the Win9x environment.
> 
>
--------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> In case (1), you can use XXCOPY.EXE (32-bit version)
> which
> can handle the long filename (LFN) correctly. But,
> you will
> encounter a number of file-copy failures. Actually,
> there
> are many executable files (.EXE and .DLL) which are
> running
> at any given moment when you are in Win9x. An
> application
> like XXCOPY cannot open these files for an overwrite
> operation.
> 
> 
>
--------------------------------------------------------
> The fact XXCOPY /CLONE works so well is
> because these
> files can be accessed in read-only mode. The
> article,
> 
> 
> http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy/xxcopy10.htm
> 
> talks about the /CLONE operation only from
> C: to D:,
> not in the other direction and it is not as
> easy.
> 
>
--------------------------------------------------------
> 
> So, when you perform a system restore operation
> using XXCOPY
> form a backup directory (D:) to the system drive
> (C:), you
> will always find a number of files that fails to be
> copied.
> Currently, there is no automated scheme in XXCOPY to
> save the
> list of failed files so that they can be restored in
> real-mode
> (DOS) later. But you may perform this manually. 
> The best
> approach is to let XXCOPY save a log file (/ON)
> which lists
> the failed files, and then using a text editor,
> create a
> batch file based on the log list and execute the
> batch file
> from DOS. If you are not sure how to convert a list
> file
> into a batch file, this method is probably not for
> you.
> 
> -------
> 
> Case (2) involves the situation where you have to
> start the
> restore operation from DOS (FDISK and FORMAT). 
> First thing
> you want to do is to create a bootable disk (for
> this, Win ME
> makes it very difficult and I'm not going to get
> into this
> --- I question Microsoft's wisdom in making ME what
> it is).
> The standard Emergency Boot Disk created by
> 
> Control-Panel > Add/Remove Programs > Startup
> Disk
> 
> will be handy. Make sure that you copy XXCOPY16.EXE
> (and
> possibly XXCOPY.EXE) to the diskette.
> 
> First, make the C: drive bootable (the C: partition
> is set
> as an Active Primary DOS Partition using FDISK and
> run
> FORMAT C: /S. This makes the drive at least
> bootable to
> "DOS 7.x" environment.
> 
> The next step is to make it bootup into a temporary
> win9x
> environment where you can launch XXCOPY.EXE. The
> following
> operation is in a form of batch file assuming D:\r
> contains
> 
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