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Number : 917 Date : 2001-11-05 Author : Dan Anderson Subject : Re: Ready for the next step? ripoff? Size(KB) : 6
Rnd, I may be misreading this situation so my apologies if I'm responding inappropriately. Kan is already in the process of developing a GUI interface and distributed a sample recently. Maybe Kan would seek out the involvement of others such as yourself, but, regardless of copyright issues, if you proceeded unilaterally for personal gain (either financial or other spin-off benefits such as seeking authorship recognition) my initial impression is that it would potentially be an attempted rip-off situation. Kan has been very open in working cooperatively with many people and developing a user group. Relatively speaking, the GUI interface is window-dressing whereas XXCOPY is the core concept. When you are provided with xxcopy, there would be an explicit or implicit understanding that it is proprietary and would not available for use as a framework for your own commercial or quasi-commercial developments. There is an element of authorship related to development of such ancillary programs and it seems more appropriate to allow Kan to author the GUI interface, with input offered by others, unless Kan sees value in your developing/authoring something independently because it involves technology that is beyond Kan's reach (which I don't think would be the case!). I would hope that you don't proceed, regardless of copyright issues, if you are infringing on Kan's initiatives and proprietary interests. I have not discussed this with Kan and don't know how he will respond, but thought I'd throw in my own perception which I expect would be shared by some others. Regards, ...Dan ========================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: [xxcopy] Ready for the next step? > Kan, > > I use XXCOPY regularly and it has been brought to my attention many times > that it would be great if an explorer style Windows GUI for the program > existed. What issues would arise if myself and another developer actually > developed a windows GUI for this program. I have listened to comments from > this newsgroup and other users and have many ideas about implementation and > functions of the program, including "ghost" copying ( simulating the result > of a copy operation) > > Would developing this program break any copyright rules if it were > distributed ( Obviously I would include XXCOPY ), and what would you expect > to be included in the program if it were developed as SHAREWARE or FREEWARE. > > Regards > > rnd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kan Yabumoto > To: xxcopy@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:52 AM > Subject: [xxcopy] Win XP and DOS > > > > >James wrote: > > >> Why would anybody go to XP? Without dos I > > >wouldn't consider it. Dos used with xxcopy has saved > > >my beans more than once. Frankly between all Windows > > >products and dos I would choose dos first. > > And Charles wrote: > > > >I was just on an XP machine the other day at a computer store. > > Much to my surprise I was able to get to the command prompt > >with no problem. > > -------------------------- > > Well, "To Windows or not to wondows" is a loaded question. > This can easily become a religious war, but let add my teke. > > Of course, those of us who started our career with > pre-GUI computers, are appreciative of the virtue of > command line operations a lot more so than those who > feels uncomfortable with the DOS Box. That is definitely > to our advantage. And that is exactly the audience > XXCOPY is targeting. > > I'm not sure if James is a little confused with WinME > which removed the "DOS layer" when it starts up the system. > Even WinME has the DOS Box which is pretty much the same > as all other versions of Windows. > > At any rate, to deny the virtue of GUI seems as perilous > as refusing to use the DOS Box. I remember, before Windows, > every time I decide to use a new application, I had to > invest an enormous amount of time with the manual for > the program and get used to the way the application views > the problem and learn the philosophy of the programmer who > wrote the application. And, if you didn't have the > accompanying manual, the program was nearly useless. > When every DOS based PC were shipping with tons of thick > manuals, Apple's ads was boasting their lack of manual. > Now, how many applications come with a manual 1/2 inch > thick, or even 1/4 inch thick? I think it's progress > and the XP is a culmination of all that. The GUI really > relieves us from learning how to interact with a program > for common things. Remember, the first thing we needed > to know when we ran a DOS program was how to exit from > the program back to the DOS prompt!!! Those days are gone. > > I saw an article in NY Times about Chris Jones, the guy > in Microsoft who was in charge of the XP development, > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/25/technology/25SOFT.html > > ---------------------------------------------------- > But Windows XP's leader concedes he still has a > fondness for old DOS-style command line. And with > a few keystrokes, the command line - a visual > anachronism - appears on Windows XP. "It's still > the fastest way to do things," Mr. Jones said. > --------------------------------------------------- > > It's reassuring that this guy concedes that even with > the XP, command line methods are still the best. > > Although I'm quite skeptical to much of Microsoft's > claims about the XP, I have little reason to believe > that the overwhelming majority of industry critics' > favorable comments are totally wrong. In other words, > the XP will dominate the world and we have little > choice. My question is, by ignoring the inevitable > tide of the XP (and it's successors) which will surely > replace much of earlier generation Windows, and > resisting to the change, what would we gain? > > To us, Microsoft's bloatware is always a big blessing. > The more number of files that Microsoft's new Windows > have, the more important XXCOPY becomes to all users. > For IT professionals, I still don't see any alternative > to command line operations. At the same time, GUI can > help us contain the growing complexity of XXCOPY. > > Kan Yabumoto > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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