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Number   :  3489
Date     :  2003-01-08
Author   :  Yuki Taga
Subject  :  Re: EXTREME alarm
Size(KB) :  5


Hi Kan,

Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 7:11:18 PM, you wrote:

KY> I felt funny typing "Yuku", but I simply repeated your signature
KY> line :-) I thought I was talking to a Japanese guy and then, I
KY> started to wonder if this guy was from eastern Europe 

Tokyo. Setagaya-ku, if you know the place. ^_^

KY> At any rate, I'm very much relieved that the loss was of the
KY> backup, not the real data --- a big sigh.

Me too.

(I am cutting a bit below to keep this as trim as possible, so we
just cover the main points you've raised.)

KY> In this particular instance, the jump is rather significant. The
KY> versions 2.82.x was a "dead-end thread" in the XXCOPY evolution.
KY> In order to make our next major update, we had to redo a lot of
KY> things differently. So, substantial changes were made in the
KY> code and we spent almost six months on this version. So,
KY> nothing's surprise me except with a lot of disappointments (and
KY> embarrassments).

No problem. I am a very experienced computer girl, and I should have
been more careful with a beta. I should have tested it in a safe
environment before turning it loose on real files. It's just that
I've grown to trust you guys. But you are human, after all, as we
all are. ^^_^^

KY> About the XXCOPY INSTALL

KY> XXCOPY may be installed anywhere you like. For example:

KY> xxcopy /install:c:\bin\

Yes, I understand. Mine lives in m:\2000 Apps\xxcopy, and of course
I have that in my PATH, on both systems. The batches can be run from
either OS, and all drives are seen and lettered the same way by both
systems.

I didn't realize what xxcopy did about renaming when you install a
later version. That is good. But for me, I'd still rather give it its
own home. Girls don't like clutter. 

>>Kan, I believe you are saying above that the *only* way this can be
>>ambiguous is if the complete source, as specified, does not exist.
>>Am I correct? In any case, that was not a problem here. The
>>complete source existed, and still exists. Simply rolling back to
>>the old version of xxcopy allowed the batch to run perfectly.

KY> The ambiguity is inherent to the command line that you create.
KY> It is only you who can say it is not ambiguous. Moreover,
KY> even you cannot guarantee that the m:\2000ap~1\equis72\ directory
KY> really exists at all time. What if a virus wipes out that directory
KY> prior to the XXCOPY execution? Or, someone came to your computer
KY> and did something. One way or another, the fact remains true
KY> that the command line itself does not resolve the ambiguity
KY> until the contents of the volume is examined and the presence
KY> of the intended directory is verified. That is why we strongly
KY> suggest that the trailing backslash is almost "mandatory" and
KY> I encourage this every time I have occasion for it. If you
KY> browse the technical bulletins, you will find nearly all examples
KY> follow this recommendation. There is no advantage in keeping
KY> the deliberate command ambiguity when it is easily avoidable
KY> (and accidental massive deletion at the destination side
KY> due to the missing directory --- regardless of how that may
KY> happen).

Okay. I will amend my files to include the backslash. It is not a
big deal, and I did not realize it was strongly recommended. I can
guarantee that the destination directory was there, however. This is
a normally disconnected USB, dedicated for backups. No virus, nobody
can get at it except me. It was there. I do understand what you are
saying, however. There are times when it might not be there for some
people, and I should develop good habits that avoid traps. But it
was there in this case. This USB drive is like one of my hands. I
know it well. ^_^ But I am immediately editing my batch files to
include the final backslash.

KY> Please swallow it.

No problem.

KY> Wow, up to this point I thought I was talking to a man. Sorry for
KY> my stereotyping. In this business, 95% of our customers are male
KY> and I have tendency to assume as such. I usually do not like the
KY> wording like "he or she". Not that I don't have respect to female
KY> professionals in this field. Melissa in this group is one whose
KY> feedback over the years has helped us tremendously. Actually,
KY> you are the first "yamato-nadeshiko" that I encountered who can
KY> talk the file management subject in great detail.

There are others. But I assemble these boxes myself, too, which is
surprising to some.  Thank you for the compliment.

KY> OK, Yuki, I'm convinced that we are dealing with something quite
KY> serious here. We are now withdrawing the latest beta test
KY> version v.2.83.x from our server until we find out more about
KY> this incident.

KY> Kan Yabumoto

It's a good idea, Kan. Better safe than sorry. You have an
excellent product, and I'm happy to use it. I was so shocked last
night I'm afraid I wrote without thinking too well. But, back on the
older version now and everything is running just like it always ran
before -- perfectly.

I'll stay tuned to this board very closely now and see how things
progress.

Best,

Yuki

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